Comments on: Random Drug Testing and the 4th Amendment http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/ Federal, State, and Local Politics Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:11:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Eric Barber http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/comment-page-2/#comment-640 Eric Barber Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:43:54 +0000 http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/#comment-640 i dont think that this is going against the 4th, first of all the schools are asking if there are any parents that are willing to volunteer their kids for this program. so in a way its helping control drug usage. in the amendment it states that we have the right to privacy, but honestly that doesn't kick in until yoou are about 18 or so and technically all of these kids are still in high school. so their parents can ask the school for these things to be done to their children, as long as their not 18. this district seems to mean well about their program, although it does not state wether or not the police are going to be involved if you are tested posisive. maybe thats what the "asistance" is but either way wether the cops find out or not they should take it as a favor being done to them. for the ones that are tested positive they are just lost and have nothing else to do, with i wouldn't blame the parents completely, but thats a diferent topic. i dont think that this is going against the 4th, first of all the schools are asking if there are any parents that are willing to volunteer their kids for this program. so in a way its helping control drug usage. in the amendment it states that we have the right to privacy, but honestly that doesn’t kick in until yoou are about 18 or so and technically all of these kids are still in high school. so their parents can ask the school for these things to be done to their children, as long as their not 18.

this district seems to mean well about their program, although it does not state wether or not the police are going to be involved if you are tested posisive. maybe thats what the “asistance” is but either way wether the cops find out or not they should take it as a favor being done to them. for the ones that are tested positive they are just lost and have nothing else to do, with i wouldn’t blame the parents completely, but thats a diferent topic.

]]> By: Hillary A. http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/comment-page-2/#comment-618 Hillary A. Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:38:45 +0000 http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/#comment-618 well, after reading th 4th amd. i think random drug testing is alreayd kind of out of the question. this whole thing seems rather cheap to me, seeing how almost every school has ZERO tolerance when t comes to drug use... yet they aren't going to do anything is a student tests positive. a school counselor is going to help? come on! this is america..no, this is WORLD...stuff like that doesn't happen. Plus, random drug tests, it's invading privacy. and it's wrong according to the 4th amendment well, after reading th 4th amd. i think random drug testing is alreayd kind of out of the question. this whole thing seems rather cheap to me, seeing how almost every school has ZERO tolerance when t comes to drug use… yet they aren’t going to do anything is a student tests positive. a school counselor is going to help? come on! this is america..no, this is WORLD…stuff like that doesn’t happen. Plus, random drug tests, it’s invading privacy. and it’s wrong according to the 4th amendment

]]> By: Rene http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/comment-page-2/#comment-617 Rene Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:06:36 +0000 http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/#comment-617 I am against random drug testing. This dosent give any freedom to the adolescents what does this say about society. How would you like it if you were randomly walking out on the street and some big van pulled over inside. They will then examine you and see if you were on types of drugs. We need to be trusted. We go under enough stress as it is and now the district wants to undergo random drug testing. That is absurd, it just comes to tell you on how much parents trust their children i find it ridicolous. Parents need to form a stronger bond between their children and not go random drug testing. I am against random drug testing. This dosent give any freedom to the adolescents what does this say about society. How would you like it if you were randomly walking out on the street and some big van pulled over inside. They will then examine you and see if you were on types of drugs. We need to be trusted. We go under enough stress as it is and now the district wants to undergo random drug testing. That is absurd, it just comes to tell you on how much parents trust their children i find it ridicolous. Parents need to form a stronger bond between their children and not go random drug testing.

]]> By: Monica Solis http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/comment-page-2/#comment-616 Monica Solis Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:03:10 +0000 http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/#comment-616 I believe random drug testing is wrong because it is an invasion of privacy according to the 4th Amendment. The programs such as D.A.R.E, S.T.A.R and the other drug-prevention programs work, especially the anti-drug ads. They worked for me and taught me that drugs will do nothing but mess up your life. I also feel it is wrong for the parents to volunteer there kids for random drug testing program. It really shows the trust between the two parties. The trust issues probably destroy relationships between the parent and the child or just make things worst, so leave it be. -SAY NO TO DRUGS!!!! =) I believe random drug testing is wrong because it is an invasion of privacy according to the 4th Amendment. The programs such as D.A.R.E, S.T.A.R and the other drug-prevention programs work, especially the anti-drug ads. They worked for me and taught me that drugs will do nothing but mess up your life.
I also feel it is wrong for the parents to volunteer there kids for random drug testing program. It really shows the trust between the two parties. The trust issues probably destroy relationships between the parent and the child or just make things worst, so leave it be.
-SAY NO TO DRUGS!!!! =)

]]> By: Ryan North HOUSE http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/comment-page-2/#comment-615 Ryan North HOUSE Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:43:50 +0000 http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/#comment-615 i dont think they should test kids for drugs. im pretty sure its not going to stop them from taking drugs, maybe it will, or maybe kids will be really mad and do more drugs. i just think it is a waste of money and time for drug testing the whole school. if they test our school like 80% of our school doesnt do drugs for some reason. theere is not that many people in our school that do it abusively....just saying if they tested our school it will be a waste of money to bring all that equipment and there is no significant point to it. just leave it the way it is right now. drugs are a freedom of choice. but i say NO to drugs!.. anyway, so i wont be worried about it. i dont think they should test kids for drugs. im pretty sure its not going to stop them from taking drugs, maybe it will, or maybe kids will be really mad and do more drugs. i just think it is a waste of money and time for drug testing the whole school. if they test our school like 80% of our school doesnt do drugs for some reason. theere is not that many people in our school that do it abusively….just saying if they tested our school it will be a waste of money to bring all that equipment and there is no significant point to it. just leave it the way it is right now. drugs are a freedom of choice. but i say NO to drugs!.. anyway, so i wont be worried about it.

]]> By: Josh -- West http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/comment-page-2/#comment-614 Josh -- West Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:21:47 +0000 http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/#comment-614 I beleive there should be drug testing at public schools. But not randomly. I believe that if both the parents and the student agree, then they should be tested. Even though the test results would be kept private and the students would not be punished, it would still put a lot more pressure on the students that prove positive to quit. Even though the program would help kids try to quit drugs, the fact that they are in the program in the first place, eventually everyone would find out about it. Kids talk. Instead, I suggest that parents and schools find a more affective way to figure out whether or not students are on drugs and help them quit. Examples like have students talk to councilors. Councilors alone would not be enough, they would have to create an envirnment that opens and welcomes students. Teach them about the affects drugs have on their bodies and have students feel welcomed. Like they can be helped with their problems, and not criticized. This way would be better. The students would actually want to share, instead of having the truth exposed by a test. I beleive there should be drug testing at public schools. But not randomly. I believe that if both the parents and the student agree, then they should be tested. Even though the test results would be kept private and the students would not be punished, it would still put a lot more pressure on the students that prove positive to quit. Even though the program would help kids try to quit drugs, the fact that they are in the program in the first place, eventually everyone would find out about it. Kids talk. Instead, I suggest that parents and schools find a more affective way to figure out whether or not students are on drugs and help them quit.
Examples like have students talk to councilors. Councilors alone would not be enough, they would have to create an envirnment that opens and welcomes students. Teach them about the affects drugs have on their bodies and have students feel welcomed. Like they can be helped with their problems, and not criticized. This way would be better. The students would actually want to share, instead of having the truth exposed by a test.

]]> By: [DaNiEl FLoReS] http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/comment-page-2/#comment-611 [DaNiEl FLoReS] Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:06:02 +0000 http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/#comment-611 I think that random drug tests do good in catching those who do drugs. But, I don't feel its the school's responsibility to implement such things. Parents should carry out there obligation to their children and keep an eye on them, themselves. As it is, schools have dogs to sniff out drugs, and many have police officers too. So the last thing anyone would want, would be another task force, anyways. If a school KNOWS a student does drugs, they should hand the matter over to the police. Schools should be a safeguard for us, inputting random drug tests would take that feeling of freedom away. I think that random drug tests do good in catching those who do drugs. But, I don’t feel its the school’s responsibility to implement such things. Parents should carry out there obligation to their children and keep an eye on them, themselves. As it is, schools have dogs to sniff out drugs, and many have police officers too. So the last thing anyone would want, would be another task force, anyways.

If a school KNOWS a student does drugs, they should hand the matter over to the police. Schools should be a safeguard for us, inputting random drug tests would take that feeling of freedom away.

]]> By: jacobo arellano North http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/comment-page-2/#comment-608 jacobo arellano North Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:59:07 +0000 http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/#comment-608 I think that the random drug test is good for the country, because the police can check if anyone is high off any drug or drunk and can take away before they get in a big car crash, or run over someone. This makes sure that teenagers or any other people can't drink or use drugs, it gives teenagers a higher risk to use drugs, which might work or it might encourage teens to do it more often. So i think that random drug checks are good for the community to protect the people and prevent the use of drugs. I think that the random drug test is good for the country, because the police can check if anyone is high off any drug or drunk and can take away before they get in a big car crash, or run over someone. This makes sure that teenagers or any other people can’t drink or use drugs, it gives teenagers a higher risk to use drugs, which might work or it might encourage teens to do it more often. So i think that random drug checks are good for the community to protect the people and prevent the use of drugs.

]]> By: Hitchman, Byron http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/comment-page-2/#comment-607 Hitchman, Byron Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:58:43 +0000 http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/#comment-607 Well to me it doesn't really matter cause i don't do drugs, but I guess for other people it would depend. Someone who doesn't do drugs as myself would say yes, I do agree with this. Why? Well cause that person has nothing to hide. Someone who does some sort of drug, would say no because they are trying to protect themselves from being caught. Even though the school won't punish the child, it will still stay on record that this child does drugs, and in the future he/she might be tempted to do more. As far as the invasion of privacy, it happens all the time. For example, mostly in public schools, kids get their backpacks searched by teachers or sometimes by sniffing dogs. In middle school, this happened once, and a kid was found with Mary-Jane hiding in his backpack. So in reality, something small like that is still invasion of privacy, whether they do the random drug test or not, people can be caught by other things. So overall, I agree with this, not only can we save our schools from drugs, we can save indivisuals from the evil clutches of Mary-Jane and her little friends. Well to me it doesn’t really matter cause i don’t do drugs, but I guess for other people it would depend. Someone who doesn’t do drugs as myself would say yes, I do agree with this. Why? Well cause that person has nothing to hide. Someone who does some sort of drug, would say no because they are trying to protect themselves from being caught. Even though the school won’t punish the child, it will still stay on record that this child does drugs, and in the future he/she might be tempted to do more. As far as the invasion of privacy, it happens all the time. For example, mostly in public schools, kids get their backpacks searched by teachers or sometimes by sniffing dogs. In middle school, this happened once, and a kid was found with Mary-Jane hiding in his backpack. So in reality, something small like that is still invasion of privacy, whether they do the random drug test or not, people can be caught by other things. So overall, I agree with this, not only can we save our schools from drugs, we can save indivisuals from the evil clutches of Mary-Jane and her little friends.

]]> By: Annalise Petriello http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/comment-page-2/#comment-605 Annalise Petriello Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:52:33 +0000 http://elmonteblog.com/2007/09/27/random-drug-testing-and-the-4th-amendment/#comment-605 I must say that I am nearly vehemently opposed to the idea of random drug testing in schools. I do not agree with any drugs in any way, shape, or form and include alcohol in my disagreement at most times. However, I cannot see that this testing serves any purpose other than to violate the rights of students and give parents unfair control over their children. I guess that it could be a beneficial toll in aiding to the prevention of drug abuse, but there must be a better way than this sort of testing. Attending school is definitely not the same as working for a company. It is definitely a choice and a privelege given by the company (as the worker is getting paid!) to have a job, therefore to protect the best interests of the company, random drug testing is quite acceptable. However, in school, students should feel safe, not like they are being deemed to be drug users. If the parents must volunteer the students to be tested then maybe they should use these great parenting skills to gain a trusting relationship with their child, or seek therapy for their child if they sense that something is wrong, such as drug use. I must say that I am nearly vehemently opposed to the idea of random drug testing in schools. I do not agree with any drugs in any way, shape, or form and include alcohol in my disagreement at most times. However, I cannot see that this testing serves any purpose other than to violate the rights of students and give parents unfair control over their children. I guess that it could be a beneficial toll in aiding to the prevention of drug abuse, but there must be a better way than this sort of testing. Attending school is definitely not the same as working for a company. It is definitely a choice and a privelege given by the company (as the worker is getting paid!) to have a job, therefore to protect the best interests of the company, random drug testing is quite acceptable. However, in school, students should feel safe, not like they are being deemed to be drug users. If the parents must volunteer the students to be tested then maybe they should use these great parenting skills to gain a trusting relationship with their child, or seek therapy for their child if they sense that something is wrong, such as drug use.

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